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to me this is such a great story
and it shows not every record label out there is purely out for cash
even though thats a great PR stunt
i just like to think that music is still, in some deep down hidden dark places, still about the artistic pursuit, and the will to share one's creation
and i still buy cd's for anyone wondering....
finally someone stands up for the little guy
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finally someone stands up for the little guy
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
I don't buy CD's, never have. All my CD's(which aren't that many) are either burned or gifts 
But this article makes me wanna go buy a CD with Avril Lavigne or something, even though I really, really dislike her music, heh..
And as the article says, why can't they give the guy a warning before they sue? I know that alot of my friends stopped DL'ing shit just after a public warning from the swedish version of RIAA were they said they were gonna get aggressive vs ppl who DL.
But this article makes me wanna go buy a CD with Avril Lavigne or something, even though I really, really dislike her music, heh..
And as the article says, why can't they give the guy a warning before they sue? I know that alot of my friends stopped DL'ing shit just after a public warning from the swedish version of RIAA were they said they were gonna get aggressive vs ppl who DL.
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I still don't. For anyone wondering.and i still buy cd's for anyone wondering....
You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
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And the world will be as one
There probably isn't any meaning in life. Perhaps you can find something interesting to do while you are alive. Like how you found that flower. Like how I found you.
Buttons aren't toys.
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
There probably isn't any meaning in life. Perhaps you can find something interesting to do while you are alive. Like how you found that flower. Like how I found you.
Buttons aren't toys.
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"The ability to really withhold information no longer exists," Gates told a government forum on the Internet.
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the RIAA lawsuits don't give money back to the artists, the money goes directly into the pockets of the record execs and CD sales almost give NO money to the artists, most big musicians make money off of concerts and sale of things like t-shirts and stickers and such.
fuck the riaa, i hope they all die
fuck the riaa, i hope they all die
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Storm is right, EVERYONE signed to a major makes money (if they do, most end up screwed) from other sources than CD sales.
The way a major label works is this:
The label sign a band/artist and give them a 'recoupeable advance'. Artists are usually poor and being offered something like £100,000 up front looks great, however in reality it sucks nuts.
If the band has a manger (which most who go the major label route do) then 20% of that instantly goes to them. £80K left.
With that money the band then have to pay their expenses which include:
Rent, food, utilities (which can be for over a year as record companies release albums how and when they like, NOT just when the record is finished).
New equipment.
RECORDING THE ALBUM
Marketing/promotion for the album
Videos
Lunches/meetings etc with the record label staff
Producer for the album,
Engineer for the album,
Singles, promotion and recording
Legal costs/lawyers (lots of money)
Accountants
Once this is all done and paid for, the band must wait until the album is released (which as I said can be 18 months or so).
The record company OWN the actual album (the recording- mechanical rights), whoever wrote the songs owns the songs (publishing rights).
So if a song from the album is played on the radio, the record company gets money (so does the songwriter), but if a cover version of a song is made, or a band cover the song at a gig the songwriter gets money (and not the label).
The bands DO get a percentage from record sales, but it's very small.
If a CD sells for £10, £4-5 goes on "packaging and distribution" (which is paid for by the band), £3 goes to the shop selling the CD, and £2-3 goes to the label.
In reality that packaging and distribution is jacked up by the label and they make profit from it, they even charge the same price for the packaging and distribution of mp3s, heh.
A band may make roughly £1 per album sold, which is really fuck all seeing as they have £100,000+ (advances can be MUCH more than this), to pay off before they make any profit.
Touring can also be a loss of money, which is why T-shirts etc are so highly priced at gigs, because the bands NEED to make some money that they get all of.
For more in depth info from THE MAN Steve Albini check out :
http://www.negativland.com/albini.html
The way a major label works is this:
The label sign a band/artist and give them a 'recoupeable advance'. Artists are usually poor and being offered something like £100,000 up front looks great, however in reality it sucks nuts.
If the band has a manger (which most who go the major label route do) then 20% of that instantly goes to them. £80K left.
With that money the band then have to pay their expenses which include:
Rent, food, utilities (which can be for over a year as record companies release albums how and when they like, NOT just when the record is finished).
New equipment.
RECORDING THE ALBUM
Marketing/promotion for the album
Videos
Lunches/meetings etc with the record label staff
Producer for the album,
Engineer for the album,
Singles, promotion and recording
Legal costs/lawyers (lots of money)
Accountants
Once this is all done and paid for, the band must wait until the album is released (which as I said can be 18 months or so).
The record company OWN the actual album (the recording- mechanical rights), whoever wrote the songs owns the songs (publishing rights).
So if a song from the album is played on the radio, the record company gets money (so does the songwriter), but if a cover version of a song is made, or a band cover the song at a gig the songwriter gets money (and not the label).
The bands DO get a percentage from record sales, but it's very small.
If a CD sells for £10, £4-5 goes on "packaging and distribution" (which is paid for by the band), £3 goes to the shop selling the CD, and £2-3 goes to the label.
In reality that packaging and distribution is jacked up by the label and they make profit from it, they even charge the same price for the packaging and distribution of mp3s, heh.
A band may make roughly £1 per album sold, which is really fuck all seeing as they have £100,000+ (advances can be MUCH more than this), to pay off before they make any profit.
Touring can also be a loss of money, which is why T-shirts etc are so highly priced at gigs, because the bands NEED to make some money that they get all of.
For more in depth info from THE MAN Steve Albini check out :
http://www.negativland.com/albini.html
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RoamingMadness
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Whats even worse is, now execs are starting to take cuts into touring money too.
You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
There probably isn't any meaning in life. Perhaps you can find something interesting to do while you are alive. Like how you found that flower. Like how I found you.
Buttons aren't toys.
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
There probably isn't any meaning in life. Perhaps you can find something interesting to do while you are alive. Like how you found that flower. Like how I found you.
Buttons aren't toys.
record executives make me sick to my stomach, seriously.
the only reason bands put up with it is because they need them to even come close to making money, indie bands although very good at times can barely make ends meet because of record people
one reason i like listening to older music a lot, although record people were alive and well in the 60s-80s and such they didn't bend the artists over and rape them for their money.
its too bad real artists (aka not record exec. dogs) can't make much money, they typically have the best music
the only reason bands put up with it is because they need them to even come close to making money, indie bands although very good at times can barely make ends meet because of record people
one reason i like listening to older music a lot, although record people were alive and well in the 60s-80s and such they didn't bend the artists over and rape them for their money.
its too bad real artists (aka not record exec. dogs) can't make much money, they typically have the best music
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RoboTurtle
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Not quite true. The problem is that most artists don't bother to understand the industry, if you know what you are doing then you can make very good cash.StormCrow wrote:
its too bad real artists (aka not record exec. dogs) can't make much money, they typically have the best music
The best example is Mattias "IA" Eklundh (Bane knows of him) from Freak Kitchen.
He records all his stuff himself, with his own equipment. So he owns the recording once it's done. He then licenses the album to different companies for territories in a 'distribution deal'. All they do is get the album into shops and collect money from sales.
He has his own lawyers and just one business partner (who is a long time friend).
The advantage of having different companies for different territories is that you can negotiate different deals depending on how well you think the album may sell in that region. All major lablel record deals take you work for the territory of "the universe" (literally, this is incase we discover other planets, but to also avoid loop holes like uploading the album to a satelite (outside of the world) and then bouncing it down to someone else).
He makes roughly €6 for each CD sold, straight into his bank account.
His sales are not near that of a big band on a major, more like a very good indie band.
In Japan his first album sold 40,000+ copies to date, and he has a second album selling well (don't know the figure, but probably comparable). When the second was released it sold 2,000 copies in France in the first weekend.
You can imagine what the worldwide sales are like, maybe 150-200,000 worldwide. Now €6 for each of those CDs is pretty damn good.
Consider than a major label band like Toploader sold 2,000,000 copies and the band members are pretty much broke now, it pays to know your shit.
I knew he was smart, but I didn't know about this.I'm not sure all bands could do this tho, even tho you own your records and shit, how do ya get the funds to commercials and shit to make your band famous so it will sell alot of copies if it's your first album? I know many bands who do like Ia, but all of'em are either already quite famous or very small bands who only has a small gruop af fan(atic)s and therefor don't need any commercials to sell albums.
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Word of mouth is a big part of it, his fanbase is almost completely guitar based.
He does clinics for Caparison guitars + Laney amps, as well as lots of stuff in Japan.
Guitar magazines.
If he wants to do adverts he has to pay for them, or find someone (e.g. a distribution company) to pay for them.
If you're REALLY good, people tend to listen.
He does clinics for Caparison guitars + Laney amps, as well as lots of stuff in Japan.
Guitar magazines.
If he wants to do adverts he has to pay for them, or find someone (e.g. a distribution company) to pay for them.
If you're REALLY good, people tend to listen.
its too bad you either have to know your shit, or get raped by a record company to make any money playing music, cause god knows musicians can't do it themselves!
so this bass player dies and goes to heaven and is standing at the gates, he notices standing next to him, is none other than pope john paul the 2nd, and the gates open and out steps 10 angels and st. peter himself.
one of the angel's steps forward and picks up the pope and flys him through the pearly gates.
when he's out of sight, the other 9 angels all start advancing for the bass player.
so the bass player asks saint peter, why do i get 9 angels when the pope only gets 1?
st. peter replies, we've had plenty of popes make it into heaven, but this is the first bass player we've ever seen.
so this bass player dies and goes to heaven and is standing at the gates, he notices standing next to him, is none other than pope john paul the 2nd, and the gates open and out steps 10 angels and st. peter himself.
one of the angel's steps forward and picks up the pope and flys him through the pearly gates.
when he's out of sight, the other 9 angels all start advancing for the bass player.
so the bass player asks saint peter, why do i get 9 angels when the pope only gets 1?
st. peter replies, we've had plenty of popes make it into heaven, but this is the first bass player we've ever seen.